Big News and a Commentary
My usual apologies about not updating this blog nearly often enough.
Exciting News: Head on over to RussForPresident.com now, if you haven't in the past few days. Why? Because Senator Feingold will be having a Q and A over there, and you can submit your questions now by heading over there, registering, and posting them on the comments thread. Questions must be in by noon (central time) on Tuesday. This is a great opportunity for us, and a great indication of Senator Feingold's support for internet activism...let's make the most of it!
Some more exciting news over at RussForPresident.com is that the first issue of the "Forward" newsletter is out now...check it out, print it out, and hand it out to friends, family and strangers!
Commentary: Russ is a leader
One of the most frustrating criticisms I've encountered when promoting Senator Feingold around the web as a presidential candidate is that he is not and has never been a governor. That's hard to dispute. He does lack executive experience, but what is so important about executive experience anyway? I've thought about that a bit and realized that while most of the arguments in favor of governors as presidential candidates are fairly superficial (ie: they "communicate better" than senators) there is one very important thing that governors seem to have going for them over senators: leadership. A governor can point at everything good that happened in their state and claim that it is due to their leadership. A senator is only one of 100 people who vote on each bill. Does this mean that there are no leaders in Congress? Or that the only leaders are the committee chairs and others with titles designating them as leaders?
Hardly. Senators have a chance to be leaders every time they have to choose between voting in the best interests of the nation and voting for what is more popular, among Congress or among the country at large. And when faced with those votes Senator Feingold has always chosen to be a leader.
The examples are clear: the PATRIOT Act 99 to 1. The Iraq War Resolution 77 to 23. Senator Feingold had the choice to do what was politically expedient or do what was in the best interest of the country, and he chose the best interest of the country.
And after these votes Senator Feingold did not surrender to the then-majority views, rather he showed his leadership by continuing to work for the causes he believed in. And he got results.
When the PATRIOT Act was up for reauthorization this year, Senator Feingold fought to reform its harshest measures, and he and his Senate colleagues unanimously passed a reauthorization bill that made significant improvements in the act. (Check out this page from the Senator's website for more about the Senate bill's improvements in the PATRIOT Act.) And when the Senate leadership tried to force through a House-Senate "compromise" that would eliminate the reforms that are in the Senate version, Senator Feingold wouldn't stand for it and led a bipartisan group of senators who threatened to filibuster the bill over Thanksgiving weekend. The Senate leadership caved and thanks to Senator Feingold's leadership, this month will see a real debate in the Senate on how to protect America from terrorism while also protecting civil liberties.
Senator Feingold has also led the way in calling for the administration to come forward with a strategy and a timetable for bringing US troops home from Iraq. On June 14 of this year he called for a resolution asking the president to set a timeline for troop withdrawal. On August 17 he suggested a target date of December 31, 2006 for withdrawal. When he made that suggestion, only Barbara Boxer was willing to co-sponsor his resolution; fellow Democrats were openly critical of his suggestion. What a difference a couple of months makes. In mid-November all but five Democratic senators voted in favor of an amendment to the Defense Department authorization bill that called upon the President to set a timeline for withdrawing troops. And thanks to the courage of Congressman Jack Murtha, last month saw the beginning of a real debate about US policy in Iraq in both houses of Congress and across the country. I don't hear the Bush Administration talking about a "generational commitment" of US soldiers in Iraq anymore...and if you think the administration doesn't take Russ seriously, check this out.
The PATRIOT Act and Iraq are but two of the issues of the issues where Senator Feingold has been a leader and the rest of the Democrats in congress have finally started following him. Russ has opposed the annual Senate pay raise each year he has been in office, this year the Senate rejected it. Russ opposed corporate friendly "free trade" agreements throughout the 1990s, this year almost all the Democratic senators opposed CAFTA. Russ championed the McCain-Feingold bill in the Senate for years before it finally passed in the wake of Enron scandals.
This is important because in the 2008 primary elections all the Democratic candidates will say that they opposed the harsher provisions of the PATRIOT Act, that there were mistakes made in going to war in Iraq, that they think that "free trade should be fair trade." And yes, these are all positions where all Democrats are generally better than Republicans. But all Democrats are not the same.
I don't want the 2008 Democratic nominee to just be someone who says the right things on the campaign trail. I want the 2008 Democratic nominee to be someone with a vision for what is best for America and the courage to work for that vision regardless of the political risks. I want the 2008 Democratic nominee to be a leader.
I want the 2008 Democratic nominee to be Russ Feingold because he has the ability to be the leader that the Democratic Party and the country need.
Request: Can anybody help me find a transcript of Senator Feingold's appearance on "This Week" last week? I missed it, and I had difficulty trying to download the podcast of it.
This, of course, would be the appearance where he said that the US is "overdue for a cheesehead president." The bappearancee of this apppearance has to go to Daniel Owen at Oval Office 2008 who titled his story about it "Hail to the Cheese." I seriously think we should consider using that as a slogan.
That's all for this time, until next time, let's keep going Forward!
posted by Dan K. @ 8:54 PM
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As a Wisconsinite I agree wholeheartedly that Mr. Feingold should run. Time to get the ball rolling.
HEADLINER; RUSSELL FEINGOLD ABC News Transcripts November 27, 2005 Sunday
Copyright 2005 American Broadcasting Companies, Inc.
ABC News Transcripts
SHOW: This Week 10:34 AM EST ABC
November 27, 2005 Sunday
LENGTH: 3920 words
HEADLINE: HEADLINER;
RUSSELL FEINGOLD
ANCHORS: GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS
REPORTERS: GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS (MADISON, WI USA)
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GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS (ABC NEWS)
(Off-camera) Now to the debate at home with Senator Russ Feingold. As we said at the top of the show, he was the first Senator to call for a timetable for withdrawal of US troops from Iraq. That stand has earned this maverick Senator from Wisconsin more attention as he mulls a run for president in 2008. I met with Feingold yesterday near his home in Madison and I began by asking if he thinks the war in Iraq can still be won.
SENATOR RUSS FEINGOLD (DEMOCRAT
You know, this is not a war that we should really think in terms of winning or losing. What we tried to do there was go in and make sure that the Iraqi people could get rid of Saddam Hussein. Now it is a political matter, and the military mission in my view needs to come to an end. We should have a public timetable to show the Iraqi people, the American people and the world that we're not trying to have a permanent occupation of Iraq. So we should look at this as a political issue in Iraq, not as something that the American military is going to handle.
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS (ABC NEWS)
(Off-camera) Well, but I'm struck by what you said there. We can't think of in terms of winning and losing. What does that mean exactly? Is victory simply not possible or a military victory not possible?
SENATOR RUSS FEINGOLD (DEMOCRAT
I think victory we should be looking for here is some kind of success for the Iraqi people of getting back their country and being able to bring together these factions and to have a country that actually functions as a democracy and the right thing for the United States right now is to refocus on the fight against terrorism. Iraq has ended up being a real distraction. Actually a problem. I think it's actually made us weaker rather than stronger and so the idea here to me is to have a commitment to finish the military mission, to have a successful finish to what the Iraqis are trying to do but to recognize that we have done basically as much as we can do militarily and we should try to leave in my view if at all possible by the end of 2006. Not disengage from the region militarily or otherwise, not even disengage completely from Iraq, but to disengage from the military side but help on the other things that the Iraqis, of course, still need our help on.
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS (ABC NEWS)
(Off-camera) You first set that date, at the end of 2006 in August and just this week again major General William Webster called that kind of a specific timetable a recipe for disaster.
SENATOR RUSS FEINGOLD (DEMOCRAT
Well, he's in a very small group of people who still think that now. When you talk to people, in fact, I talked to one of the top commanders in Iraq when I was there in February and I said to him off the record, what would happen if we had a timetable, a public timetable? He said nothing would take the wind out of the sails of the insurgents more. And now you hear General Casey and General Abizaid, they may not say that they want a timetable but they say our presence there, this sort of indefinite presence there actually fuels the insurgency so clearly, the best way to undercut that it is to say, look, we're not here forever. This is the time frame, a flexible time frame during which we're going to leave and I think it would really help the Iraqi people come together and to be able to forge a country. As long as it's seen as an American occupation it helps the al Zarqawis and others to bring insurgents in, to bring terrorists in and we need to reverse that problem.
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS (ABC NEWS)
(Off-camera) You mentioned General Casey. He's presented plans according to many published reports, plans to the defense secretary calling for a reduction of about 50,000 or 60,000 troops by the end of next year. We saw Secretary Rice this week say we really think we're heading towards a withdrawal. Do you think the Bush administration is preparing to declare victory and go home?
SENATOR RUSS FEINGOLD (DEMOCRAT
Well, that's a concern of mine because my goal here isn't to say, hey, we're going to bring...
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS (ABC NEWS)
(Off-camera) Why isn't it a concern? You don't want that?
SENATOR RUSS FEINGOLD (DEMOCRAT
Of course I want that, but if that's all that is, that we're gonna bring out 20,000 now, or 40,000 here, they may decide to send them back in, what we need is a plan, what we need is a vision with a flexible timetable, not about how we bring a few troops out now or send a few more troops back in later but how does this whole thing come together?
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS (ABC NEWS)
(Off-camera) But the president and his team say that depends on the capacity of the Iraqi people, the capacity of the Iraqi army to defend the Iraqi people. Right now there's only 700 Iraqi troops that can defend themselves. Only about 27,000 that can do it with US help. If we're still in that situation a year from now, do you still believe US troops should come home?
SENATOR RUSS FEINGOLD (DEMOCRAT
Well, I think that's a judgment we'll have to make at the time. And that's why you want to have a flexible timetable. But here's what I really think is the problem. Our presence is making things worse. Our presence as John Murtha and others have said is actually fueling the opposition. I think the opportunity for the Iraqi people to come together, for these factions to come together is helped by having a sense that the American occupation is ending and that's exactly what the three factions said in Cairo this week. This is, this is the one thing, George, they could agree on is that they have asked for a timetable for the United States to withdraw its troops. They believe that they need that in order to succeed and that's more important than anything else.
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS (ABC NEWS)
(Off-camera) But if the Iraqi army isn't ready, what do we do? Do we just leave even if we believe they're gonna be overwhelmed?
SENATOR RUSS FEINGOLD (DEMOCRAT
We, we should disengage militarily from inside Iraq. But that does not mean as John Murtha and others have said we completely disengage from the area. That doesn't mean we don't maintain the capacity to use special operations with regard to a situation like that. The problem is having 160,000 troops on the ground is making it harder for the situation to gel.
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS (ABC NEWS)
(Off-camera) Of all the Democrats who are looking at a presidential race, and I know you haven't made up your mind yet, you are the only one who voted against the war from the beginning. Senator Clinton voted yes. Senator Biden voted yes. Senator Bayh voted yes. John Kerry and John Edwards both voted yes. What did you know that they didn't know?
SENATOR RUSS FEINGOLD (DEMOCRAT
What I knew is that we were attacked on 9/11 by al Qaeda and that everything we should do after that should be based on the threat of al Qaeda and the terrorist networks around the world. I sensed from my work on the Foreign Relations Committee having attended all the hearings on Iraq, having gone to the CIA briefings that the connection that the White House was trying to make between 9/11 and Iraq was false, and I also found ideas in the statements about WMD by the CIA and their tone to be less significant and less clear about the need to do this than the White House.
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS (ABC NEWS)
(Off-camera) Yet you said at the time that you believed that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction.
SENATOR RUSS FEINGOLD (DEMOCRAT
I said that I believed he had some capacity with regard to biological and chemical. But in the same speech...
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS (ABC NEWS)
(Off-camera) And the potential for nuclear.
SENATOR RUSS FEINGOLD (DEMOCRAT
And I did not say -- I said that was a possibility but I hadn't seen it, and that's not what we were really told but what I said in that the same speech was, however, we do not see a clear evidence that he has this capacity. We do not see clear evidence that he can deliver these and certainly we did not see clear evidence that he intended to use it against us. For all those reasons I rejected the WMD argument, I rejected the phony connection to 9/11 and I believe that this was a terrible mistake in terms of our staying focused on the fight against the al Qaeda network and that's exactly what's come to happen. This, George, is about our national security. The most important reason I voted against the Iraq war and the most important reason that I favor a timetable is I want this country to get refocused on the terrorist network that is now in some 60 countries around the world. Iraq is not the be all and end all of our national security and the Bush administration has led us down the wrong road when it comes to overly focusing on Iraq when the real issue should be those who are trying to kill our kids in our country.
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS (ABC NEWS)
(Off-camera) How do you explain why all those other prominent Democrats also sitting on the Foreign Relations Committee, the Armed Services Committee, went the other way?
SENATOR RUSS FEINGOLD (DEMOCRAT
Well, I think some of them honestly believed that there was a greater threat of WMD than some of us believed, but I also think that there was a factor of intimidation. I mean, I was in those caucuses. I heard Senators who ultimately voted for the war speaking passionately against it before that. The Bush administration did a brilliant job which has continued until today not in getting us into the war and handling it correctly but they did a brilliant job of intimidating us into somehow thinking that if we didn't vote for this we weren't supporting the troops and we were soft on terror.
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS (ABC NEWS)
(Off-camera) So your colleagues were cowards?
SENATOR RUSS FEINGOLD (DEMOCRAT
No, I think my colleagues got in some cases sort of bought into the idea of, gee -- and it was a difficult decision. Gee, if I'm wrong about this, you know, think about what the consequences are. It was a difficult vote. So it isn't cowardice, I just think they bought the tone and the arguments of the administration in a way that subsequently many of them regret, and I didn't buy it. I could tell that they were taking every piece of evidence, exaggerating it, pushing everything they could and twisting everything in favor of going into Iraq.
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS (ABC NEWS)
(Off-camera) Do you think if the timetable is followed, if the withdrawals begin, what kind of a role will Iraq play in the 2008 primaries?
SENATOR RUSS FEINGOLD (DEMOCRAT
Well, yeah, I think that's so far in the future that we have absolutely no idea and I don't think it's particularly important at this point. What's important is which candidates can get us back to the focus on real national security issues, issues that directly affect American lives. Who understands the nature of the al Qaeda network? Who heeds the warnings of the 9/11 commission that the threat here is both an organization and a network and an ideology that is threatening us in 60 countries around the world? I think that's what people are gonna look at, which candidate is able to understand what went wrong with regard to Iraq and what we need to do to make sure that we don't have these awful things going on in London and Madrid and perhaps in our own country.
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS (ABC NEWS)
(Off-camera) Yet the FBI, our intelligence agencies, the Justice Department all say that one of the best tools we have in fighting that terrorist network overseas is the PATRIOT Act. You're the only Senator who voted against it.
SENATOR RUSS FEINGOLD (DEMOCRAT
Yeah, I voted against it because there are provisions in there which I actually read that involve going after the library records and business records of law-abiding citizens with no real check and balance. Sneak and peek searches of people's houses for indefinite periods of time, but I always supported the other provisions of the law. And there is no dispute, for example, with regard to the provisions of cutting down the wall between the FBI and the CIA. That is a red herring. Whenever they say the PATRIOT Act worked, they never mention the provisions that we have questions about. They only mention the provisions that we all agree. If that was the issue, all they had to do was pass the Senate bill that I voted for a few weeks ago that includes all the provisions that have been working properly. It simply fixed those provisions that invade the privacy and the rights of law-abiding Americans. And that's what we need to do.
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS (ABC NEWS)
(Off-camera) You're also the only Democrat looking at a race for the White House in the Senate right now who voted for John Roberts. How much heat are you taking for that?
SENATOR RUSS FEINGOLD (DEMOCRAT
Some people are concerned about that but it's been very interesting how people are sort of comparing Roberts now to some concerns they have about Alito and I think people have come to the realization that John Roberts did appear to me to be a person who is exceptionally objective in his approach, sort of a lawyer's lawyer and it was my judgment that he would do a decent job as chief justice and certainly there's some people that want me to vote against every single nominee of the president. But I thought he did a pretty good job on that one, a lot better than he did on Harriet Miers and we'll see about Alito.
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS (ABC NEWS)
(Off-camera) Judge Alito's hearings begin in January. We've all seen this job application he had for this job in the Justice Department 20 years ago now where he said very clearly I don't think the constitution protects a right to an abortion. If he stands by that belief in the Senate hearings, can you vote for him for the Supreme Court?
SENATOR RUSS FEINGOLD (DEMOCRAT
It would be hard, and I want to hear his explanations for it but that is a very direct and raw statement that I think flies in the face of settled precedent in Roe v. Wade. And I'm certainly not going to vote against somebody based on their position on a particular issue but if I believe somebody believes so strongly on a issue, on an issue like that, that they're incapable of objectively handing the case, handling the case before them and looking at the precedent, that will be a big problem and I'll be listening very carefully.
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS (ABC NEWS)
(Off-camera) Well, that's about as plain a statement as someone can make.
SENATOR RUSS FEINGOLD (DEMOCRAT
It's quite plain, and it's gonna require some explanation other than it's been taken out of context. Because when I read it, it really isn't taken out of context. It was stated very directly and it is really quite different from the kinds of things that now-Chief Justice Roberts said about this issue, so I want to give this man who is highly intelligent, very pleasant, very candid, a person -- I want to give him every chance but I will be honest with you, that that memo was troubling to me.
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS (ABC NEWS)
(Off-camera) And you could support a filibuster if he stands by it?
SENATOR RUSS FEINGOLD (DEMOCRAT
I think it's perfectly fine to use a filibuster if somebody is clearly unacceptable. That is an option we have. It has almost never been used with regard to a Supreme Court justice so it would take an extreme case but I was the one Democrat who was unhappy publicly with the sort of deal that was made earlier in the year that kind of let certain judges go through who shouldn't have gone through. The right to filibuster is part of our role on the Senate, and we should reserve the right but use it only very sparingly.
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS (ABC NEWS)
(Off-camera) Let's talk more generally now about the party and your own future. First of all, the Democratic party. You said just a couple of weeks ago that Democratic leaders are dumbing down the message to the point where it's going to be kind of a milquetoast message. Who were you talking about and how are they doing that?
SENATOR RUSS FEINGOLD (DEMOCRAT
Well, you know, this is a concern that I have had over the last couple of years. I think things have gotten a little better in the last few weeks to be honest with you. I think when Harry Reid had the guts to close down the Senate for a little while to force some action on issues, it showed some heart, it showed some strength, but I think over the last few years, the Democratic party has not been strong enough on talking about guaranteed health care for all Americans. This is what not only the American people but the business community is now calling for. Look at what's going on with General Motors and health care costs. I think the Democratic party dumbed down trade policy in a way that going along with certain Republicans on trade deals such as NAFTA and GATT and Most Favoured Nation Status for China that I think had an enormous role in shipping many American jobs overseas. We lost 90,000 manufacturing jobs here in Wisconsin since the year 2000, and I think the Democrats need to be firmer although this is starting to happen on a real goal of trying to have energy independence over the next ten to 15 years so I think if we come up with stronger proposals where we make a clearer difference between ourselves and the Republicans people will have a much greater respect for our ability to govern and I think people do think given our work under the Clinton administration on the deficit that we are capable of performing. We have to have the proposals to go with that.
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS (ABC NEWS)
(Off-camera) But doesn't that fly in the face of history? If you look back over the last 50 years Democrats have won the White House when they appear to be the more centrist candidate. Generally candidates from the South, Lyndon Johnson, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton. How can a Northern Liberal with a 98 rating from Americans for Democratic Action get the nomination and win the White House?
SENATOR RUSS FEINGOLD (DEMOCRAT
Well, you know, I think that is the lesson of the last 30 years but it's not the lesson of 2006 and the lesson of 2008. I think 1994 is instructive. That's when the Republicans came in and came up with, you know, a fairly strong different vision of the world. One that I didn't particularly agree with but it swept the country with the Contract with America and it had long-term consequences. They've had the House now ever since 1994. They've had the Senate for all but 18 months. It was a bold agenda. The Democrats need a bold, progressive agenda that does not look like they're trying to be Republican-lite. That's what I believe, George, will win in 2006. That's what I believe will win in 2008. It's not as close as you can get to the other side. It's being different and showing that we are actually committed to real solutions and I would put at number one on the list that we will be the party to provide guaranteed health care for all Americans.
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS (ABC NEWS)
(Off-camera) And when Republicans come back and say he's more Liberal than Ted Kennedy, more Liberal than Hillary Clinton, more Liberal than John Kerry, more Liberal even than Barbara Boxer, what do you say?
SENATOR RUSS FEINGOLD (DEMOCRAT
Well, I've had that experience three times. Three Senate elections, every time they put me next to somebody they think I'm more Liberal than, and every time, the people of this state, who are pretty down the middle, have said, you know, we think he's a pretty independent guy, we think he's a guy that looks at the issues and votes on the merits, and so I am, not only am I not afraid of that sort of an argument, I enjoy the fact they give me credit for having beliefs and values and that to me is what wins elections.
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS (ABC NEWS)
(Off-camera) You've also talked about the need to appear strong on national security. But you not only voted against the Iraq war, you voted against funding for the Bosnia troops in 1995, against funding for those troops in 1997, against the Kosovo bombing campaign in 1999. Are you worried that those votes will be taken as, see, this is just an isolationist, a lonesome Dove?
SENATOR RUSS FEINGOLD (DEMOCRAT
I look forward to that debate, because the situations you mentioned, Bosnia, Kosovo, and Iraq, were all important things and very disastrous for their own countries but they were not at the core of our national security.
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS (ABC NEWS)
(Off-camera) Bosnia was not?
SENATOR RUSS FEINGOLD (DEMOCRAT
No, it was very important for that region. It was very important and the Europeans should have done it, but it's not nearly as important in my view as dealing with things like stability in the Middle East, issues of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the threat of North Korea, the threat coming from Iran and so I think what's happened is because we've gotten into these long-term commitments and, of course, Bosnia was only supposed to be two years. It's ended up being ten years. When we get our military...
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS (ABC NEWS)
(Off-camera) But it has been a success.
SENATOR RUSS FEINGOLD (DEMOCRAT
I think that's, that's a debatable question. It's been a success but your question was about national security. My concern is the day-to-day safety and lives of the American people here and abroad.
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS (ABC NEWS)
(Off-camera) Coming out of the last election a lot of Democrats were also worried that their candidates have not connected with voters on the issue of faith and values. You're Jewish. You've been divorced twice. Do you think that is a hurdle in any way as you think about running for the White House?
SENATOR RUSS FEINGOLD (DEMOCRAT
You know, I would let people decide that if I decided to run for the White House but, you know, I'm awful proud that my little sister is the first woman rabbi in the history of this state. That's a matter of enormous pride in our family. And I'm proud of my faith. It's one of the most important things in my life. I don't wear it on my sleeve. You know, I was brought up in a small town 45 minutes from here, Janesville. We were kind of brought up that you didn't kind of, you know, bring up your religion every time you got together. That was considered a little bit impolite. But I recognize that people want to know that people have those feelings and values, and there's nothing I'm more comfortable with than my joy that I have a wonderful religion and culture that has sustained me throughout my life.
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS (ABC NEWS)
(Off-camera) And finally, you know, you said coming out of the 2004 campaign you looked at it but when you looked back your chances were never more than one in 100 that you were going to run. What are the chances now?
SENATOR RUSS FEINGOLD (DEMOCRAT
Well, they're probably higher than that. I'm not going to look at this in a way that I'll really make a decision for awhile, because I think it's something you have to evaluate at the time. But I do think one thing we can all agree on is that this country is overdue for a Cheese Head president. We've never had one.
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS (ABC NEWS)
(Off-camera) Senator Feingold, thank you very much.
SENATOR RUSS FEINGOLD (DEMOCRAT
Thank you, George.
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS (ABC NEWS)
(Voiceover) The roundtable is next with George Will, Donna Brazile, Claire Shipman and Jay Carney of "Time" magazine.
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS (ABC NEWS)
(Voiceover) And later, growing up with Saddam.
ZAINAB SALBI (DAUGHTER OF SADDAM HUSSEIN'S PILOT)
Saddam Hussein is my demon, and, and I still shiver when I think about him.
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